It seems that she really did not contribute anything to science other than observe the chimps. - which anyone could do. She was one of the first diversity “scientists” in the form of a white female in the 1970s. Regarding her putative scientific contributions, any zookeeper could provide those same observations😳
It’s always about depopping others, never their own. Hypocrites!
It’s not that they go last, but that they and their families are out of the question.
Of course! To them, the problem isn’t over-population, it’s over-populace, the overpopulation of us, the commoners, the masses, the races, the middle class, the poor.
The decarbonization tale? Same script, different sermon. They preach frugality, while keeping their wasteful lifestyle, telling us we’re selfish for reproducing, while jetting around in luxury, burning fuel by the ton.
To them, the problem isn’t reproduction, but reproduction of the “deplorables”: the best way to cut our carbon footprint is to cut off our foot, while printing their foot on our faces.
Adam and Eve and later Noah and his sons were instructed by God to be fruitful, to multiply and to fill the earth. Alaska is huge but the entire current population of this planet can be comfortably fitted into Alaska. I know about resources etc, but, it seems to me as if the elites, who are not fond of those who are not members of their club, are pushing their panic buttons way too early. We're still executing God's instructions and they want to disobey for some reason.
Not a good person. Loved Chimps more than her own son. Sad excuse for a human. Parroting all the "women's empowerment" BS while not believing in the one thing that really empowers women: THE ABILITY TO BUILD A HUMAN INSIDE YOUR OWN BODY! That is truly a miracle and has been the subject of Far Left propaganda for decades. Well, she's with her master Satan now...
I'm disappointed some good things are lumped in with the not so good. Thou shall not kill. No one is passing away from not eating animals. Animals pass away from people targeting them and consuming them. Tesla, Tolstoy, Di Vinci, to name a few, did not eat animals. Continuing to demonize those who do not engage in slaughter is blasphemy to God's creations. Thank goodness this is not included in here, as so many often do. Also, not everyone has the urge to be a parent, which is a job. Stop demonizing those, who chose to give back to society in other ways. What are the celibate being told, that their lives don't matter, only if they spread their legs to an act that if one thinks about it is rather violent in itself, penetrating someone? This in itself does exemplify male privilege. I imagine I will now be attacked for expressing my opinion.
Dear Monique, there's not a single sentence in this article even remotely connected to what you are saying.
That said, of course the infertile can contribute in other ways. At the end of life we will be judged by how much love we gave, not by how many test-tube babies we produced, though the ultimate act of gratitude and love is giving life, paying it forward, biologically and/or spiritually.
Through experiments in near death experiences, science proved that only humans have an immortal soul, since conception. Killing an animal for food has no more importance than killing a plant for food. You know that plants have sensory cells, don't you? Would you starve to death because plants trigger mechanisms when being cut?
Natural law shows that we were meant to multiply and be fruitful. This notion engraved in our conscience given to us by our Creator, is engraved in many religions: Christians (especially Orthodox and Catholics), and above all by Muslims and Orthodox Jews and others:
From chatgpt: Religions or traditions that still encourage large families today
🕉️ Hinduism (in parts of India and Nepal)
Why traditionally: Children are seen as blessings and carrying forward family duty (dharma).
Today: Some Hindu nationalist and conservative groups in India still promote high fertility among Hindus to “preserve” cultural or demographic strength.
🛕 Sikhism (Punjab and diaspora)
Why traditionally: Family life is holy; children are considered gifts from God.
Today: Some Sikh leaders still encourage large families to strengthen the community, though modern urban Sikhs often have fewer children.
🔥 Zoroastrianism (Parsis in India & Iran)
Why traditionally: Having children was seen as helping the forces of good (Ahura Mazda) triumph over evil.
Today: Because of very low birth rates among Parsis, Zoroastrian leaders actively urge followers to have more children to prevent demographic collapse.
🌿 African Traditional Religions
Why traditionally: Children connect the living and ancestors; large families ensure social and spiritual continuity.
Today: In rural Africa, many communities still view fertility as divine favor, and cultural pride supports large families.
☯️ Confucian-influenced societies (like rural China or Korea)
Why traditionally: Filial duty—continuing the family line.
Today: While China’s one-child policy reduced family size for decades, modern governments now actually encourage more births, sometimes appealing to traditional Confucian values.
⛩️ Shinto (Japan)
Family continuity and honoring ancestors.
Today: Some Shinto priests and conservative groups promote having more children as part of Japan’s response to population decline.
🦅 Indigenous and tribal religions
Children strengthen the clan or tribe and please the spirits.
Today: In many indigenous cultures (Amazon, Andes, Pacific Islands, Sub-Saharan Africa), fertility is still celebrated as a spiritual blessing, not a burden.
NDEs do not prove that only humans have immortal souls! The term "soul"(NEPHESH) is used for both people and animals because BOTH are conscious beings; they both share the same animating principle or LIFE-BREATH.
Exactly, Tony, and most of the people on here said no to the jab, which was full of animal and human in it. They have nerve. This has been going on for 5 years. Wake up people. Cruelty is placed on you, when you're the one giving the cruelty. Thank you, @TonyPorcaro.
Actually, yes, you did. And now you have given an entire essay. Let's get the animal topic taken care of - take a breast from chicken, she bleeds out. Take a rib from a pig, he does too. Unless you place these sentient beings in a "med bed" and grow other parts, that's it. For the plants, they give, they keep growing. You're trying to look smart and compassionate, but you're not.
Let's get to the children part, not everyone wishes to have children regardless of everything and every religion you wrote. Many times these people are absolutely demonized, particularly the women. No children, bam, the boyfriend will leave. No relations, because one wishes to be moral and smart, bam, he leaves. Same for the women. A male doesn't want children, bam, she leaves. These are general statements based on truth. There are antisexuals around. They did not like that their "partner" sees them as a body to lust. One can be intimate without thrusting and secretions, it's usually the males that want that. Woman's bodies are for your usage. If one wants children, THAT's what it's for. And by the way, that's how those, who consume dairy also think, because cows must be legally raped to continue to have milk placed in the cartons. That's NOT how plants are used, AND the first way of God's eating plan is in Genesis 1:29. If you don't believe in that, it's still in there: https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/Genesis%201%3A29
KJ21 - And God said, “Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
AMPC
And God said, See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the land and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food.
You're not a professor. You tell people they should have children, because you would like a continuous round of clients. There's enough unwanted, unloved people here, and you just proved it. They need support. Children need a support. At the end of the day, there is only so much time and energy to give. Children ARE a job. Maybe, because you're not a Mother you don't know. And note, I did NOT say a "burden," I said a job.
Lastly, I truly do not care if the planet continues to go on without humans, I care more about eternal happiness with God. I would rather the souls stay in the light, and not have to come here. Sure, there are good things, but I'm not going to willfully be the one to bring them here.
Monique RE: Children ARE a job. YES! So what all humanity's worldwide 'indigenous' ancestors did was place the collective 'Domestic' (mostly women) 'Economy' (Greek 'oikos' = 'home' + 'namein' = 'care-&-nurture') at the centre, with Industry & Commerce (mostly men) as supportive subsets. The labours of mostly women taking care of the Domestic (eg. food, shelter, clothing, warmth, health, accounting medicine, education, organization etc) Economy were self-grouped, specialized & self-organized into Production-Society-Guilds fully accounted for on the time-based String-shell accounting Value systems. The mostly male work of industry & commerce was also accounted for but not being as concentrated in the ~100 person Multihome-Dwelling-Complex (eg. Longhouse-apartment, Pueblo-townhouse & Kanata-village, tended to have less unity & power, hence Europeans invading these nations tended to classify them as Matriarchies. With generations living & working together in the ~100 person Multihome, women had more options, unity & power than in the detached nuclear-family isolated car-driven suburban home.
My other comment on this thread goes into the Multihome, where 70% of people live today, of whom 20% are Extended Families living intentionally in proximity. With both women & men strong in intergenerational & community' (L. 'com' = 'together' + 'munus' = 'gift-or-service') sovereign relationships, reproduction-&-sex don't hold the centre of relationships & people are not one-on-one dependent in so many ways. With so many community distributed essential goods & services, 'Politics' (L. 'poly' = 'many' + 'tics' = 'workings-of') is considered as a subset of more appropriate intimate provision in Economic Democracy. Https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/c-relational-economy/8-economic-democracy
PRINCIPLES & PRACTICE OF ALL HUMANITY'S ANCIENT STRING-SHELL In order to understand real 'money', Gk 'mnemosis' = 'memory') one must study & research all humanity's once worldwide time-based accounting upon the String-shell Value System (eg. Wampum on Turtle-Island/N. America, Quipu in S. America & Cowrie-shell in once indigenous Celtic-Slavic Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia & all islands). String-shell integrates a) 'Capital' (L 'cap' = 'head' = 'collective-intelligence' from contribution, experience, expertise & decision-making-acumen). b) Currency ('flow' as in recognition & empowerment from diverse stakeholders), c) 'Condolence' = 'social-security' for all conditions, d) Collegial 'education' (L. 'educare' = 'to-lead-forth-from-within') Credit, e) time-math-management Communication, f) professional Costume for identification of essential goods & service expertise & more. Https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/c-relational-economy
In the west & east there are still remnants of the ancient 'Participatory' (L. 'part' = 'share') Production-Society-Guilds, which once organized each specialty in collective Domestic, Industry & Commerce production, with each contributor being a share (String-shell) holder with progressive-ownership (over life or career-long contributions) voting power. Https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/c-relational-economy/2-participatory-accounting
Thanks for the history-herstory lesson and for affirming bearing and being a child's caretaker for life is indeed a job, commitment, and huge responsibility. And for the record, it's interesting that so many men have griped about women being sluts and golddiggers, then when a celibate comes along with morals and wishing to respect their body and others, they are also shunned. I call this male privilege. Yes, there is such a thing. Really it stems from a lack of moral standards being taught, or this general attitude would not be in existance.
Dear Monique, When women have been returned, in their innate, learned & experiential wisdom, to their central role in human governance, so humans are on the right track to restoring Biosphere abundance & plenty, you might be tempted like Sarah at 90 years old & Abraham at 100, to conceive & bear a child (eg. Isaac). Who knows? But in the meantime, we all have jobs to do, in-order to make rightful governance, peace & abundance happen again. In the meantime, I applaud you for your forbearance.
In deference to Socrates (2500 years ago) & his female rhetoric coach Aspasia, who taught him 'debate' (French 'de' = 'undo' + 'bate' = 'the-fight', let us provide all you & all people the ancient 'indigenous COUNCIL-PROCESS opportunity & right to call for formal Both-sides-now, Equal-time, Recorded & Published dialogues in all our relations, among all the people by which we are affected & affecting.
No bloodshed required. Refusal to engage in formal dialogue is intellectual-cowardice, although common in western Oligarch institutional MONOLOGUE. Indigenous people refer to this as Council Process, Socrates as 'Dialectic-Rights, Mohandas Gandhi as 'Satyagraha' = 'Truth-Search' as part of India's 'Swadeshi' (Hindi 'Indigenous' aka 'Self-sufficiency') movement as the Economic Engine which asserted Independence. Formal Dialogues or Dialectics mimic the functioning of the human mind. Both eyes for example see in 2-dimensions, but the images are joined in the Neural Cortex for their differences in-order-to construct a 3-D working model of the world we live & act in. All senses of Smell, Hearing & Kinetic body movement from our 2 arms, legs & sides add 'dialectic' ('both-sided') dimensions to the world we perceive. When people are recorded & held responsible for what they say, reputation is put out into the public & hence becomes more collaborative & engaging. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/d-participatory-structure/1-both-sides-now-equal-time-recorded-dialogues
TRANSFORMING SOCIAL MEDIA FROM MONO TO DIALOGUE Its surprising that 'MEDIA' (Latin 'Medium' = 'middle' as in to present both sides engaged) whether MSM or Social, haven’t maintained stronger policies of 'dialectic' ('both-sided') presentation. Given the human mind's attraction for Dialogue, as enabling media viewers to contrast & compare, facts, figures, logic, feeling etc., it’s natural that any media would want this reader & viewer attraction. Debates are the most viewed & sought after events in media https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/d-participatory-structure/1-communication-converting-social-media-from-mono-to-dialogue-libya
I request that you do not say, "Maybe you will change your mind" to those, who have decided not to have biological children. This is harmful in that you are not affirming their decision. You are adding coercive pressure to those, who made a firm decision. I experienced this for years, and I will not have it. I have said no to people I really loved, so these words are of audacity. You have no right to my agency. Also, you are a man, not a woman. You will not mansplain me, "Maybe you will change your mind." Respectfully, I thank you for your attention.
I have already engaged in dialogue. I had an online show about this for half a decade on this very topic. 10 years ago, I created a self-created Facebook group of people, who feel the same way. It's up to about 221 members now. Thank you.
Who would wish to bring another child in the world with bully personalities such as yourself, who shills for animal agriculture. This says what you do to the animals: https://facebook.com/watch?v=1140887971319179
Dear Monique, I hold a different view. There is absolutely nothing that is violent about the act of sexual intercourse, and enacting it has nothing to do with male privilege. How could it? That act in a loving relationship is wonderfully fulfilling, refreshing, exciting, and fortifies the bond between a man and woman. The clitoris has no bodily function other than to provide pleasure. We have been made to enjoy one another. If you prefer to be celibate that is a choice that I absolutely respect, without wanting to add a doubt as to your motive. ❤️
You would hold a different view if you are not following the guidance of the Holy Book regarding celibacy. Oh yes, male privilege it is thrusting, secretions being deposited. I highly doubt most males would want to be on the receiving end. The process of having these relations is designed for those, who "both" agree to have children. Add doubt to my "motive?" How about all the consequences that come from it? There are ways to bond intimately and enjoy one another without this carnal act. It sounds like you may not be aware of them, as society already programmed you. Our bodies are our temples. Thanks for the respect at the very least, because I see the "Lawyer" does not.
Dear Monique, I'm not going to expand on details about the sexual act, but you are misinformed. Thrusting is by far not a male only action. Women also make secretions and sometimes significantly so. I'll leave it there. Do you know that plants are aware and communicate? Scientists have even been able to record the sounds they make. We, humans, have been given the responsibility to reign over God's creation. We have access to and may consume everything.
And your point? This is laughable. So what if women thrust and make secretions? Men are the dominant force and secretion "download." In addition, you're statement contributes to the idea that indeed it is a violent act. A hammer hitting a nail, imo, is violent, as well. Although the sex act may be consensual to the parties involved, or for the hammer to the nail by the tool person, it is a violent action. If that's what people within marriage want, fine. They doesn't change the description of the act, though. It changes the meaning, not the "verb" I'm sure you have heard rude comments like nailing someone - Banging someone - Humping someone. These are because of the action itself. I have perception to see this, maybe you are lacking in it. Regarding plants, they continue living upon eating from them, animals don't. I already provided this response. You're consuming carcass, Olle. Are you that closed off to see? Please read my other responses on the matter.
"Responsibility" over God's creations does not include killing them. If you had to babysit, you would not be telling the parents this, or you would be in jail. Genesis 1:29 BRG And God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."
I guess you noticed you came from violent penetration to enjoy moralizing on depopulation?
I am going to have steak right now. No other fitting response. Wolves and other carnivores are thankful they aren't subject to the whim of not being able to target lunch for the feelings of vegans. I am glad vegetarians have their lunches too but don't appreciate the moralizing against procreation. Once the procreation is all done and finished I suppose there is at least silence from the nagging moralizing weren't supposed to procreate or eat meat. It is quite a philosophy. ends in nothing.
In case you are having difficulty recalling, you had encouraged me to create this. I have been criticized and name called for wishing to give truth, as I analyzed the situation with my expertise and love of God's truth. Hours of time were invested: https://moniquelukens.substack.com/p/i-believed-til-i-didnt-the-disinformation You will never be truly happy putting people down.
LawyerLisa, depopulation is killing those already here. You're an unkind person. I gave my opinion on children, if you would like to have 50 of them, go right ahead. I will put my foot down for the torture of innocent sentient beings, though. You're abusive, saying you're going to have "steak right now." I thought better of you. I thanked you in my substack right at the top of my page, grateful for you getting me to do this. Yes, penetration is violent overall imo regardless if wanted or unwanted. Actually both end in something, I repeat from above: "I would rather the souls stay in the light, and not have to come here. Sure, there are good things, but I'm not going to willfully be the one to bring them here." You want to depopulate the animals. One is on your plate. He or she probably screamed before that happened. I gather you want more problems to take to court. You're in the business of them. I'm in the business of resolutions.
I did escape. It's so horrible to continuously read the same things over and over. I have answered each person. That's enough of my goodwill and energy for free.
You are abiding to satan's confusion @laywerlisa with your blood sacrifices, which harm other beings. Regarding being celibate, there is no bloodshed there. No pregnancy terminations, which is also killing. Shame on you for your slander, and from an attorney?
And given the elites propensity and intergenerational religious dogma cult belief system that becoming androgen is necessary for the antichrist to come and to women dress while male I'm wondering if this is another one. The depopulation agenda is accelerating. Glad there's a rock on this one. Voices for genocide against humanity deserve your precise eulogy. It was almost too refined and polite. Sinister satanic music ought to be playing with blood dripping from the screen. They science-fy their climate totalitarianism add AI to it to remove themselves one level- it's your carbon budget that ran out -see the QR code- there's the universal euthanasia appointment at your hospitals - with biological waste incinerators ready and set up for decades. this ilk is satan's army - what they like to call lucifer.. The ONE HEALTH philosophy now permeating our legislation is we are no more important or better (in fact worse) than a blade of grass. The totalitarian Mark Carney in the BBC Reich lectures (number 4) advocated for a global citizen to have a personal lifetime carbon budget. We should give them personal lifetime satanic budgets. DING DING DING DING. you're over your evil limit!!! DING DING DING your community deprived of guns picked up the rubble from the buildings you blew up and stoned you I'm guessing "peace" is not what follows such an ugly war against humanity. Probably in boiling feces.
I unsubscribed and blocked LawyerLisa for bullying me regarding being a vegan and celibate. She called me a "perpetual victim." No, everyone, who disputes, is sadly actually the victim. Sharing this - just in: https://psypost.org/new-psychology-research-shows-a-genetic-link-between-higher-intelligence-and-never-having-sex. I will call out the bullies. No more silence for this type of behavior. HOpe she sees this. I mean, "hope" she sees this. She can think what she wants, but bullying is a NO NO. If she apologizes, I will decapitalize those two letters. But for now, HO HO HO, Merrrrrrrry Anti-bullying counter.
Thank you Fred Nazar for this article. In ~2010, I presented GIS Indigenous Ecological Mapping at a Roots & Shoots conference with Dr Jane Goodall at Mt-St-Bruno, about 100 km south-east of Montreal. I am shocked to come across Jane's Globalist Depopulation advocacy. I wrote the following on Jane's Linkedin Death Anouncement. Text limit was 1250 characters.
"African & worldwide 'indigenous' (L 'self-generating') stewards of Polyculture inter-species Orchards, 10s of 1000s of years of 'economic' (Greek 'oikos' = 'home' + 'namein' = 'care-&-nurture') inclusion & welcome knowledge for all people & species provide integration. Thanks Jane for your work, but I hope we learn from the tragic institutionalized funding mistake, to adopt an indigenous aligned Cultural approach in primatology. Human welcome & loving-culture provides young child-bearing age couples with the opportunity & wisdom to choose relationships & birthing, whereas Oligarch top-down Overpopulation alienation & exclusiveness breeds fear & personal-culture instability in which young people are more desperate for quick-love & many more babies are actually born." https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/e-history-evolution/7-work-play-population
Jane's ignorance was in not being able to understand the indigenous populations who kept the Polyculture Orchards intact where the Chimpanzee lived in collaboration with indigenous people economic practices. Peace is established culturally from the person, friends, family, extended-family, Multihome, village, city, region, nation with such as ~110 nations across Turtle-Island (N. America) organized into ~23 Confederacies, into Continental & Hemispheric Councils. One introduction to all our ancient ways is called the Indigenous Circle-of-Life, somewhat related to the Medicine-Wheel in simplifying an inter-disciplinary set of Indigenous factors needed for all of us to become wholly in harmony with all again in a CIRCLE-OF-LIFE. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/a-home/3-indigenous-circle-of-life
DEPOPULATION PROGRAMS ARE COMPLETELY COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE
All humanity's worldwide 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generating') cultivated ~100 (50-150) person Multihome-Dwelling-Complexes (eg. Longhouse-apartment, Pueblo-townhouse & Kanata-village for intimate, intergenerational, female-male, interdisciplinary, critical-mass, economies-of-scale Circular 'economy' COLLABORATION. i.e. All indigenous communities worldwide were welcoming economically inclusive of all comers. Each generation in complementary association with other generations in everyday living, thus shared their gifts & wisdom. Considering the loving participation of all, pregnancy & giving birth were true individual & couple loving choices so population was kept stable. 70% of people today live within Multihome-Dwelling-Complexes (eg. Apartment, Townhouse & Village-clusters) averaging 32 dwelling-units = ~100 people. 20% of Multihome-dwellers are extended-families living intentionally in proximity for social & economic collaboration, contributing 2 trillion $/year of the most individually most individually appropriate goods, services, sharing & caring/year albeit unrecognized & 98% unfunded by Gov't, Institutions & Academia. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/c-relational-economy/1-extending-our-welcome-participatory-multihome-cohousing
RIP
What an awful legacy. Thank you for exposing her genocidal tendencies.
Why are all the secular saints so sinister?
She was definitely in the club, pretty sad for her son too.
It seems that she really did not contribute anything to science other than observe the chimps. - which anyone could do. She was one of the first diversity “scientists” in the form of a white female in the 1970s. Regarding her putative scientific contributions, any zookeeper could provide those same observations😳
The advocates of depopulation never depopulate themselves.
It’s always about depopping others, never their own. Hypocrites!
It’s not that they go last, but that they and their families are out of the question.
Of course! To them, the problem isn’t over-population, it’s over-populace, the overpopulation of us, the commoners, the masses, the races, the middle class, the poor.
The decarbonization tale? Same script, different sermon. They preach frugality, while keeping their wasteful lifestyle, telling us we’re selfish for reproducing, while jetting around in luxury, burning fuel by the ton.
To them, the problem isn’t reproduction, but reproduction of the “deplorables”: the best way to cut our carbon footprint is to cut off our foot, while printing their foot on our faces.
Thank goodness she didn't hook up with Attenborough.🐒
Where do you think chimps are from?
You couldn't make the room dark enough.
🤣
Adam and Eve and later Noah and his sons were instructed by God to be fruitful, to multiply and to fill the earth. Alaska is huge but the entire current population of this planet can be comfortably fitted into Alaska. I know about resources etc, but, it seems to me as if the elites, who are not fond of those who are not members of their club, are pushing their panic buttons way too early. We're still executing God's instructions and they want to disobey for some reason.
All resources can be recycled. There's no such thing as non-renewable energy. We can even make synthetic Oil and gas, and plastics, out of bio-mass.
They disobey, because they are not of God. They are of Satan.
Not a good person. Loved Chimps more than her own son. Sad excuse for a human. Parroting all the "women's empowerment" BS while not believing in the one thing that really empowers women: THE ABILITY TO BUILD A HUMAN INSIDE YOUR OWN BODY! That is truly a miracle and has been the subject of Far Left propaganda for decades. Well, she's with her master Satan now...
I'm disappointed some good things are lumped in with the not so good. Thou shall not kill. No one is passing away from not eating animals. Animals pass away from people targeting them and consuming them. Tesla, Tolstoy, Di Vinci, to name a few, did not eat animals. Continuing to demonize those who do not engage in slaughter is blasphemy to God's creations. Thank goodness this is not included in here, as so many often do. Also, not everyone has the urge to be a parent, which is a job. Stop demonizing those, who chose to give back to society in other ways. What are the celibate being told, that their lives don't matter, only if they spread their legs to an act that if one thinks about it is rather violent in itself, penetrating someone? This in itself does exemplify male privilege. I imagine I will now be attacked for expressing my opinion.
Dear Monique, there's not a single sentence in this article even remotely connected to what you are saying.
That said, of course the infertile can contribute in other ways. At the end of life we will be judged by how much love we gave, not by how many test-tube babies we produced, though the ultimate act of gratitude and love is giving life, paying it forward, biologically and/or spiritually.
Through experiments in near death experiences, science proved that only humans have an immortal soul, since conception. Killing an animal for food has no more importance than killing a plant for food. You know that plants have sensory cells, don't you? Would you starve to death because plants trigger mechanisms when being cut?
Natural law shows that we were meant to multiply and be fruitful. This notion engraved in our conscience given to us by our Creator, is engraved in many religions: Christians (especially Orthodox and Catholics), and above all by Muslims and Orthodox Jews and others:
From chatgpt: Religions or traditions that still encourage large families today
🕉️ Hinduism (in parts of India and Nepal)
Why traditionally: Children are seen as blessings and carrying forward family duty (dharma).
Today: Some Hindu nationalist and conservative groups in India still promote high fertility among Hindus to “preserve” cultural or demographic strength.
🛕 Sikhism (Punjab and diaspora)
Why traditionally: Family life is holy; children are considered gifts from God.
Today: Some Sikh leaders still encourage large families to strengthen the community, though modern urban Sikhs often have fewer children.
🔥 Zoroastrianism (Parsis in India & Iran)
Why traditionally: Having children was seen as helping the forces of good (Ahura Mazda) triumph over evil.
Today: Because of very low birth rates among Parsis, Zoroastrian leaders actively urge followers to have more children to prevent demographic collapse.
🌿 African Traditional Religions
Why traditionally: Children connect the living and ancestors; large families ensure social and spiritual continuity.
Today: In rural Africa, many communities still view fertility as divine favor, and cultural pride supports large families.
☯️ Confucian-influenced societies (like rural China or Korea)
Why traditionally: Filial duty—continuing the family line.
Today: While China’s one-child policy reduced family size for decades, modern governments now actually encourage more births, sometimes appealing to traditional Confucian values.
⛩️ Shinto (Japan)
Family continuity and honoring ancestors.
Today: Some Shinto priests and conservative groups promote having more children as part of Japan’s response to population decline.
🦅 Indigenous and tribal religions
Children strengthen the clan or tribe and please the spirits.
Today: In many indigenous cultures (Amazon, Andes, Pacific Islands, Sub-Saharan Africa), fertility is still celebrated as a spiritual blessing, not a burden.
NDEs do not prove that only humans have immortal souls! The term "soul"(NEPHESH) is used for both people and animals because BOTH are conscious beings; they both share the same animating principle or LIFE-BREATH.
Exactly, Tony, and most of the people on here said no to the jab, which was full of animal and human in it. They have nerve. This has been going on for 5 years. Wake up people. Cruelty is placed on you, when you're the one giving the cruelty. Thank you, @TonyPorcaro.
Actually, yes, you did. And now you have given an entire essay. Let's get the animal topic taken care of - take a breast from chicken, she bleeds out. Take a rib from a pig, he does too. Unless you place these sentient beings in a "med bed" and grow other parts, that's it. For the plants, they give, they keep growing. You're trying to look smart and compassionate, but you're not.
Let's get to the children part, not everyone wishes to have children regardless of everything and every religion you wrote. Many times these people are absolutely demonized, particularly the women. No children, bam, the boyfriend will leave. No relations, because one wishes to be moral and smart, bam, he leaves. Same for the women. A male doesn't want children, bam, she leaves. These are general statements based on truth. There are antisexuals around. They did not like that their "partner" sees them as a body to lust. One can be intimate without thrusting and secretions, it's usually the males that want that. Woman's bodies are for your usage. If one wants children, THAT's what it's for. And by the way, that's how those, who consume dairy also think, because cows must be legally raped to continue to have milk placed in the cartons. That's NOT how plants are used, AND the first way of God's eating plan is in Genesis 1:29. If you don't believe in that, it's still in there: https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/Genesis%201%3A29
KJ21 - And God said, “Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
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And God said, See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the land and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food.
You're not a professor. You tell people they should have children, because you would like a continuous round of clients. There's enough unwanted, unloved people here, and you just proved it. They need support. Children need a support. At the end of the day, there is only so much time and energy to give. Children ARE a job. Maybe, because you're not a Mother you don't know. And note, I did NOT say a "burden," I said a job.
Lastly, I truly do not care if the planet continues to go on without humans, I care more about eternal happiness with God. I would rather the souls stay in the light, and not have to come here. Sure, there are good things, but I'm not going to willfully be the one to bring them here.
Monique RE: Children ARE a job. YES! So what all humanity's worldwide 'indigenous' ancestors did was place the collective 'Domestic' (mostly women) 'Economy' (Greek 'oikos' = 'home' + 'namein' = 'care-&-nurture') at the centre, with Industry & Commerce (mostly men) as supportive subsets. The labours of mostly women taking care of the Domestic (eg. food, shelter, clothing, warmth, health, accounting medicine, education, organization etc) Economy were self-grouped, specialized & self-organized into Production-Society-Guilds fully accounted for on the time-based String-shell accounting Value systems. The mostly male work of industry & commerce was also accounted for but not being as concentrated in the ~100 person Multihome-Dwelling-Complex (eg. Longhouse-apartment, Pueblo-townhouse & Kanata-village, tended to have less unity & power, hence Europeans invading these nations tended to classify them as Matriarchies. With generations living & working together in the ~100 person Multihome, women had more options, unity & power than in the detached nuclear-family isolated car-driven suburban home.
My other comment on this thread goes into the Multihome, where 70% of people live today, of whom 20% are Extended Families living intentionally in proximity. With both women & men strong in intergenerational & community' (L. 'com' = 'together' + 'munus' = 'gift-or-service') sovereign relationships, reproduction-&-sex don't hold the centre of relationships & people are not one-on-one dependent in so many ways. With so many community distributed essential goods & services, 'Politics' (L. 'poly' = 'many' + 'tics' = 'workings-of') is considered as a subset of more appropriate intimate provision in Economic Democracy. Https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/c-relational-economy/8-economic-democracy
PRINCIPLES & PRACTICE OF ALL HUMANITY'S ANCIENT STRING-SHELL In order to understand real 'money', Gk 'mnemosis' = 'memory') one must study & research all humanity's once worldwide time-based accounting upon the String-shell Value System (eg. Wampum on Turtle-Island/N. America, Quipu in S. America & Cowrie-shell in once indigenous Celtic-Slavic Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia & all islands). String-shell integrates a) 'Capital' (L 'cap' = 'head' = 'collective-intelligence' from contribution, experience, expertise & decision-making-acumen). b) Currency ('flow' as in recognition & empowerment from diverse stakeholders), c) 'Condolence' = 'social-security' for all conditions, d) Collegial 'education' (L. 'educare' = 'to-lead-forth-from-within') Credit, e) time-math-management Communication, f) professional Costume for identification of essential goods & service expertise & more. Https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/c-relational-economy
In the west & east there are still remnants of the ancient 'Participatory' (L. 'part' = 'share') Production-Society-Guilds, which once organized each specialty in collective Domestic, Industry & Commerce production, with each contributor being a share (String-shell) holder with progressive-ownership (over life or career-long contributions) voting power. Https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/c-relational-economy/2-participatory-accounting
Thanks for the history-herstory lesson and for affirming bearing and being a child's caretaker for life is indeed a job, commitment, and huge responsibility. And for the record, it's interesting that so many men have griped about women being sluts and golddiggers, then when a celibate comes along with morals and wishing to respect their body and others, they are also shunned. I call this male privilege. Yes, there is such a thing. Really it stems from a lack of moral standards being taught, or this general attitude would not be in existance.
Dear Monique, When women have been returned, in their innate, learned & experiential wisdom, to their central role in human governance, so humans are on the right track to restoring Biosphere abundance & plenty, you might be tempted like Sarah at 90 years old & Abraham at 100, to conceive & bear a child (eg. Isaac). Who knows? But in the meantime, we all have jobs to do, in-order to make rightful governance, peace & abundance happen again. In the meantime, I applaud you for your forbearance.
As well in implementing true 'education' (Latin 'educare' = 'to-lead-forth-from-within') lets put the emphasis on providing youth with the opportunity to explore each, their own unique Vision-Quests https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/d-participatory-structure/8-vision-quest-education then Apprenticeship Mentoring, typically one-on-one by experts in a youth's chosen field, https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/d-participatory-structure/4-apprenticeship-education
In deference to Socrates (2500 years ago) & his female rhetoric coach Aspasia, who taught him 'debate' (French 'de' = 'undo' + 'bate' = 'the-fight', let us provide all you & all people the ancient 'indigenous COUNCIL-PROCESS opportunity & right to call for formal Both-sides-now, Equal-time, Recorded & Published dialogues in all our relations, among all the people by which we are affected & affecting.
No bloodshed required. Refusal to engage in formal dialogue is intellectual-cowardice, although common in western Oligarch institutional MONOLOGUE. Indigenous people refer to this as Council Process, Socrates as 'Dialectic-Rights, Mohandas Gandhi as 'Satyagraha' = 'Truth-Search' as part of India's 'Swadeshi' (Hindi 'Indigenous' aka 'Self-sufficiency') movement as the Economic Engine which asserted Independence. Formal Dialogues or Dialectics mimic the functioning of the human mind. Both eyes for example see in 2-dimensions, but the images are joined in the Neural Cortex for their differences in-order-to construct a 3-D working model of the world we live & act in. All senses of Smell, Hearing & Kinetic body movement from our 2 arms, legs & sides add 'dialectic' ('both-sided') dimensions to the world we perceive. When people are recorded & held responsible for what they say, reputation is put out into the public & hence becomes more collaborative & engaging. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/d-participatory-structure/1-both-sides-now-equal-time-recorded-dialogues
TRANSFORMING SOCIAL MEDIA FROM MONO TO DIALOGUE Its surprising that 'MEDIA' (Latin 'Medium' = 'middle' as in to present both sides engaged) whether MSM or Social, haven’t maintained stronger policies of 'dialectic' ('both-sided') presentation. Given the human mind's attraction for Dialogue, as enabling media viewers to contrast & compare, facts, figures, logic, feeling etc., it’s natural that any media would want this reader & viewer attraction. Debates are the most viewed & sought after events in media https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/d-participatory-structure/1-communication-converting-social-media-from-mono-to-dialogue-libya
I request that you do not say, "Maybe you will change your mind" to those, who have decided not to have biological children. This is harmful in that you are not affirming their decision. You are adding coercive pressure to those, who made a firm decision. I experienced this for years, and I will not have it. I have said no to people I really loved, so these words are of audacity. You have no right to my agency. Also, you are a man, not a woman. You will not mansplain me, "Maybe you will change your mind." Respectfully, I thank you for your attention.
I have already engaged in dialogue. I had an online show about this for half a decade on this very topic. 10 years ago, I created a self-created Facebook group of people, who feel the same way. It's up to about 221 members now. Thank you.
Who would wish to bring another child in the world with bully personalities such as yourself, who shills for animal agriculture. This says what you do to the animals: https://facebook.com/watch?v=1140887971319179
Dear Monique, I hold a different view. There is absolutely nothing that is violent about the act of sexual intercourse, and enacting it has nothing to do with male privilege. How could it? That act in a loving relationship is wonderfully fulfilling, refreshing, exciting, and fortifies the bond between a man and woman. The clitoris has no bodily function other than to provide pleasure. We have been made to enjoy one another. If you prefer to be celibate that is a choice that I absolutely respect, without wanting to add a doubt as to your motive. ❤️
You would hold a different view if you are not following the guidance of the Holy Book regarding celibacy. Oh yes, male privilege it is thrusting, secretions being deposited. I highly doubt most males would want to be on the receiving end. The process of having these relations is designed for those, who "both" agree to have children. Add doubt to my "motive?" How about all the consequences that come from it? There are ways to bond intimately and enjoy one another without this carnal act. It sounds like you may not be aware of them, as society already programmed you. Our bodies are our temples. Thanks for the respect at the very least, because I see the "Lawyer" does not.
Dear Monique, I'm not going to expand on details about the sexual act, but you are misinformed. Thrusting is by far not a male only action. Women also make secretions and sometimes significantly so. I'll leave it there. Do you know that plants are aware and communicate? Scientists have even been able to record the sounds they make. We, humans, have been given the responsibility to reign over God's creation. We have access to and may consume everything.
And your point? This is laughable. So what if women thrust and make secretions? Men are the dominant force and secretion "download." In addition, you're statement contributes to the idea that indeed it is a violent act. A hammer hitting a nail, imo, is violent, as well. Although the sex act may be consensual to the parties involved, or for the hammer to the nail by the tool person, it is a violent action. If that's what people within marriage want, fine. They doesn't change the description of the act, though. It changes the meaning, not the "verb" I'm sure you have heard rude comments like nailing someone - Banging someone - Humping someone. These are because of the action itself. I have perception to see this, maybe you are lacking in it. Regarding plants, they continue living upon eating from them, animals don't. I already provided this response. You're consuming carcass, Olle. Are you that closed off to see? Please read my other responses on the matter.
"Responsibility" over God's creations does not include killing them. If you had to babysit, you would not be telling the parents this, or you would be in jail. Genesis 1:29 BRG And God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."
This is my last response. I wish you well. Where does your body get its Vit B12?
Been good for 25 years. I suggest you go online to find out, because, yes, this conversation is over. Here's a resource: https://veganhealth.org/vitamin-b12/b12-status-of-raw-foodist-vegans
I see all the people, who succumb to lust over Jesus. They should check if a demon entered them.
I guess you noticed you came from violent penetration to enjoy moralizing on depopulation?
I am going to have steak right now. No other fitting response. Wolves and other carnivores are thankful they aren't subject to the whim of not being able to target lunch for the feelings of vegans. I am glad vegetarians have their lunches too but don't appreciate the moralizing against procreation. Once the procreation is all done and finished I suppose there is at least silence from the nagging moralizing weren't supposed to procreate or eat meat. It is quite a philosophy. ends in nothing.
In case you are having difficulty recalling, you had encouraged me to create this. I have been criticized and name called for wishing to give truth, as I analyzed the situation with my expertise and love of God's truth. Hours of time were invested: https://moniquelukens.substack.com/p/i-believed-til-i-didnt-the-disinformation You will never be truly happy putting people down.
LawyerLisa, depopulation is killing those already here. You're an unkind person. I gave my opinion on children, if you would like to have 50 of them, go right ahead. I will put my foot down for the torture of innocent sentient beings, though. You're abusive, saying you're going to have "steak right now." I thought better of you. I thanked you in my substack right at the top of my page, grateful for you getting me to do this. Yes, penetration is violent overall imo regardless if wanted or unwanted. Actually both end in something, I repeat from above: "I would rather the souls stay in the light, and not have to come here. Sure, there are good things, but I'm not going to willfully be the one to bring them here." You want to depopulate the animals. One is on your plate. He or she probably screamed before that happened. I gather you want more problems to take to court. You're in the business of them. I'm in the business of resolutions.
Look out everyone Monique found the keys to escape.
I believe now you were mocking me. Shame on you for your ugly tactics of attempting to pull people down to those on here's, (minus a few), level.
Come on Monique, lighten up & get a sense of humour & keep your shaming jabs to yourself.👍🦘
You had nothing good to say, and locked arms with the dismissers. I walk the walk, and now you are blocked.
I did escape. It's so horrible to continuously read the same things over and over. I have answered each person. That's enough of my goodwill and energy for free.
Make it good energy next time & you're home free.👍🇦🇺🦘
Please clarify.
I have disliked her for a long time. The end and I'm an animal lover to the extent of owning big cats myself
A horrible person for sure.
Gets the ding ding ding satan award for new welcomes.
You are abiding to satan's confusion @laywerlisa with your blood sacrifices, which harm other beings. Regarding being celibate, there is no bloodshed there. No pregnancy terminations, which is also killing. Shame on you for your slander, and from an attorney?
The witch was equating animals as humans. No loss when a eugenicist is snuffed IMO.
And given the elites propensity and intergenerational religious dogma cult belief system that becoming androgen is necessary for the antichrist to come and to women dress while male I'm wondering if this is another one. The depopulation agenda is accelerating. Glad there's a rock on this one. Voices for genocide against humanity deserve your precise eulogy. It was almost too refined and polite. Sinister satanic music ought to be playing with blood dripping from the screen. They science-fy their climate totalitarianism add AI to it to remove themselves one level- it's your carbon budget that ran out -see the QR code- there's the universal euthanasia appointment at your hospitals - with biological waste incinerators ready and set up for decades. this ilk is satan's army - what they like to call lucifer.. The ONE HEALTH philosophy now permeating our legislation is we are no more important or better (in fact worse) than a blade of grass. The totalitarian Mark Carney in the BBC Reich lectures (number 4) advocated for a global citizen to have a personal lifetime carbon budget. We should give them personal lifetime satanic budgets. DING DING DING DING. you're over your evil limit!!! DING DING DING your community deprived of guns picked up the rubble from the buildings you blew up and stoned you I'm guessing "peace" is not what follows such an ugly war against humanity. Probably in boiling feces.
I unsubscribed and blocked LawyerLisa for bullying me regarding being a vegan and celibate. She called me a "perpetual victim." No, everyone, who disputes, is sadly actually the victim. Sharing this - just in: https://psypost.org/new-psychology-research-shows-a-genetic-link-between-higher-intelligence-and-never-having-sex. I will call out the bullies. No more silence for this type of behavior. HOpe she sees this. I mean, "hope" she sees this. She can think what she wants, but bullying is a NO NO. If she apologizes, I will decapitalize those two letters. But for now, HO HO HO, Merrrrrrrry Anti-bullying counter.
See comments here: https://open.substack.com/pub/lawyerlisa/p/the-rape-of-europe-the-bioweapon?utm_campaign=comment-list-share-cta&utm_medium=web&comments=true&commentId=163506571
Thank you Fred Nazar for this article. In ~2010, I presented GIS Indigenous Ecological Mapping at a Roots & Shoots conference with Dr Jane Goodall at Mt-St-Bruno, about 100 km south-east of Montreal. I am shocked to come across Jane's Globalist Depopulation advocacy. I wrote the following on Jane's Linkedin Death Anouncement. Text limit was 1250 characters.
"African & worldwide 'indigenous' (L 'self-generating') stewards of Polyculture inter-species Orchards, 10s of 1000s of years of 'economic' (Greek 'oikos' = 'home' + 'namein' = 'care-&-nurture') inclusion & welcome knowledge for all people & species provide integration. Thanks Jane for your work, but I hope we learn from the tragic institutionalized funding mistake, to adopt an indigenous aligned Cultural approach in primatology. Human welcome & loving-culture provides young child-bearing age couples with the opportunity & wisdom to choose relationships & birthing, whereas Oligarch top-down Overpopulation alienation & exclusiveness breeds fear & personal-culture instability in which young people are more desperate for quick-love & many more babies are actually born." https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/e-history-evolution/7-work-play-population
Jane's ignorance was in not being able to understand the indigenous populations who kept the Polyculture Orchards intact where the Chimpanzee lived in collaboration with indigenous people economic practices. Peace is established culturally from the person, friends, family, extended-family, Multihome, village, city, region, nation with such as ~110 nations across Turtle-Island (N. America) organized into ~23 Confederacies, into Continental & Hemispheric Councils. One introduction to all our ancient ways is called the Indigenous Circle-of-Life, somewhat related to the Medicine-Wheel in simplifying an inter-disciplinary set of Indigenous factors needed for all of us to become wholly in harmony with all again in a CIRCLE-OF-LIFE. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/a-home/3-indigenous-circle-of-life
DEPOPULATION PROGRAMS ARE COMPLETELY COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE
All humanity's worldwide 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generating') cultivated ~100 (50-150) person Multihome-Dwelling-Complexes (eg. Longhouse-apartment, Pueblo-townhouse & Kanata-village for intimate, intergenerational, female-male, interdisciplinary, critical-mass, economies-of-scale Circular 'economy' COLLABORATION. i.e. All indigenous communities worldwide were welcoming economically inclusive of all comers. Each generation in complementary association with other generations in everyday living, thus shared their gifts & wisdom. Considering the loving participation of all, pregnancy & giving birth were true individual & couple loving choices so population was kept stable. 70% of people today live within Multihome-Dwelling-Complexes (eg. Apartment, Townhouse & Village-clusters) averaging 32 dwelling-units = ~100 people. 20% of Multihome-dwellers are extended-families living intentionally in proximity for social & economic collaboration, contributing 2 trillion $/year of the most individually most individually appropriate goods, services, sharing & caring/year albeit unrecognized & 98% unfunded by Gov't, Institutions & Academia. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/c-relational-economy/1-extending-our-welcome-participatory-multihome-cohousing
DO-WE-KNOW-WHO-WE-ARE-? https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/d-participatory-structure/9-do-we-know-who-we-are web-based Community-Circular-Economy software
A) CATALOGUE in-take form for individual & business Talents, Goods, Services, Resources & Dreams. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/a-home/7-membership
B) MAP local proximal collaborative relations for complementary economy. Baseline mapping 105 Mohawk, Wendat & Algonquian Placenames in Tiohtiake (Mtl. archipelago). https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/a-home/5-tiohtiake-mohawk-placenames
C) ACCOUNT for collective contributions, buying, selling & co-investment. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/c-relational-economy
D) COMMUNICATE formally through COUNCIL PROCESS for creating Constructive Agreements & for Conflict Resolution. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/d-participatory-structure/1-both-sides-now-equal-time-recorded-dialogues
For all the naysayers, be familiar with this prior to decrediting anyone: https://qz.com/678186/theres-a-neurological-explanation-for-the-link-between-sex-and-violence